Is Low Teacher Pay a Myth?: Teen Times Plagarizes?

Recently we were told that the Today Newspaper lauded an article in the Teen Times of February 27, 2008, entitled "Is Low Teacher pay a myth?" in order for it (Today) to continue its mission of demonizing the protest actions of the teachers. However, we have found that the only thing mythical is the scenario created by the TeenTimes writer.

The writer claims that the article arose out of "a simple debate between two of our writers," and that, "one of the conclusions by one of our writers was something many people only whisper: is low teacher pay a myth? In other words, are teachers getting exactly the amount of pay they deserve and are they simply over-dramatizing this 'where is our money' issue?"

The majority of this article is plagarized and taken out of context. If the Today indeed praised this article, then Shame on the Today newspaper for supporting the Myth of Plagarism!

One can also access the real article online here.

Or read the highlighted plagarized parts for yourself below.
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The parts highlighted below are the parts plagarized:

The Teacher-Pay Myth
September 22, 2005
By Jay P. Greene and Marcus Winters

FEW cliches permeate our culture more thoroughly than that of the underpaid schoolteacher. In fact, many people would say that if they know anything about public schools it is that teachers deserve far more money than they actually get. Thus, many will sympathize with this week's vote by the New York City teachers union to hold a strike vote in a few weeks if stalled contract talks continue to deny them a raise.

But the idea that teachers are underpaid is a myth. When we discard our presuppositions and look at the evidence, it turns out that teachers actually are better paid than many people realize.

As of 2002, the average salary for teachers nationwide was about $44,600. That does seem modest. But we need account for the relatively few hours that teachers actually spend working compared to other professionals.

Teachers have long vacation periods, several personal and sick days and work a shorter day than most other professionals. We can only properly understand these hours away from work as a benefit of the teaching profession. That is, a teacher who earns $45,000 to work for nine months is clearly better paid than a nurse who gets the same salary for working 12 months.

Since teachers' work schedule distorts direct salary comparisons with other jobs, we need to look at hourly pay.

According to the U.S. Department of Labor, the average public elementary school teacher in the United States earns about $30.75 an hour. The average hourly pay of other public-service employees - such as firefighters ($17.91) or police officers ($22.64) - pales in comparison.

Indeed, teachers' hourly rate exceeds even those in professions that require far more training and expertise. Compare the schoolteacher's $30.75 to the average biologist's $28.07 an hour - or the mechanical engineer's $29.76 or the chemist's $30.68.

Whose hourly pay is competitive with that of teachers? Computer scientists ($32.86), dentists ($35.51) and even nuclear engineers ($36.16).

Note, too, that these hourly figures exclude benefits, such as health coverage and retirement accounts, which are typically more generous for government employees, such as teachers, than for private-sector workers.

New York City's teachers are especially well paid. According to the state's school district profile, the median teacher in the city earns $53,017 a year. Unfortunately, information on the number of hours worked by the average teacher in the City is not readily available. But, if we make the generous assumption that the average teacher in New York works the maximum 6.6 hours a day allowed by the union contract for the full 181 school days, that works out to $44.38 an hour.

So, if teachers are underpaid, then workers in other professions are badly underpaid, too. But there's no clamor to raise the pay of computer scientists, dentists or engineers.

But don't teachers spend a great deal of time grading papers and creating lesson plans while away from school? Some do - but the comparisons here are still fair - because other professionals do work away from the office, too. Engineers and computer scientists are certainly no strangers to long nights working at home.

Nor do teachers spend all of their time at school in the classroom. In fact, teachers spend fewer hours actually instructing students than many recognize. Stanford's Terry Moe worked with data straight from the nation's largest teacher union's own data - and found that the average teacher in a department setting (that is, where students have different teachers for different subjects) was in the classroom for fewer than 3.9 hours out of the 7.3 hours at school each day.

With several hours set aside at school for course-planning and grading, it strains plausibility that on average teachers must spend more hours working at home than do other professionals.

The myth that teachers are underpaid is a significant hurdle to educational reform because it helps prop up the falsehood that schools in general are underfunded. In fact, taxpayers spend more money on public K-12 schools than they do on national defense, even more than the Gross Domestic Product of Russia.

Yet, despite this generous investment, student outcomes as measured by standardized tests and graduation rates have been stagnant since the Ford administration.

If we are to improve public schools, we must understand that the facts don't always square with our impressions. The story that on average school teachers are underpaid compared to other professionals is as widely told as anything from Aesop, and is just as mythical.

Jay P. Greene is head of the Department of Education Reform at the University of Arkansas and a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, where Marcus A. Winters is a senior research associate. They are authors of the book Education Myths

New York Post

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Submitted by sybille on Fri, 2008-03-07 17:46.

Local teacher pay
Flipper | Fri, 2008-03-07 19:31

We'd be very interested to see the new scales the govt has come up with for our local teachers. Are there any teachers out there willing to provide them to us.

Flipper

Teacher Pay
anonymous99 | Mon, 2008-03-10 22:14

Hi Flipper,

It is not that difficult to see the salary scales. They are on the website of the WITU, the Windward Island Teacher's Union. Just check the document!

http://www.witu.org/salaryscales.pdf

Thank you
Flipper | Tue, 2008-03-11 10:52

It's all in Dutch, which I have difficulty with. Maybe someone out there can give us a briefing of some kind. Looking at the chart on the site, it seems that teachers up to level 4 or 5 are making somewhere in the region of $1000-$1200.

What grade does an English or Science teacher with 3 years experience make?
How are the grades made? Through age? Experience? Grading on performance?

Can you break it down for us?

Flipper

teachers
Anonymous (not verified) | Tue, 2008-03-11 11:35

A Havo/Vwo teacher makes 5230 NAfls a month, I think. I'm not sure though...
because you also have 'treden' and I don't have the time to look at that now... anyway the grades are made by looking at the scales, the experience, knowledge and also the wages of other teachers with the same amount of intellectual bagage. And there are various possiblilities of earning a bonus of course.
Hope this is of any help.

Mike Granger and Stephan brothers
Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 2008-03-07 18:19

Is Stephan working for TEENTIMES now? or are they cut from the same cloth? Plagiarism is stealing. If you take someones article from anywhere you have to give credit to the writer and the source.
I guess Mike Granger will just say that his young writers did not know better, if that is the case, ok. I hope they learn and never make the mistake again.

But he's not
Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 2008-03-07 20:21

But umm, he's not even the Editor of the paper anymore. He coordinates the organization which as I understand consists of so many wings. If the guy have teenagers working for him who live on the net maybe thats where it came from. Plus I just read the teen time article its not totally exactly the same. Maybe the kids just borrowed stuff as teenagers do these days. Anyway. Whatever.

Unfair and off
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2008-03-08 10:01

People,

I just read the teen times paper my daughter brought home to see for myself. And I have a few observations. First of all, the article states TWICE that the information is according to international experts. TWICE it makes that reference. So where's the plagiarising? Another thing, more than half of the article defends teachers and is clearly the opinion of one of the writers who defended teachers with the same zeal and passion and arguments that teachers use here daily. So where's the plagiarising. The first part refering to teachers pay could have been just para-phrased by the other student. The article clearly also said that the information by one of the students were empty and "loose bits" of information. Sounds like that student wanted to make a point and used some info from the net. But again it states the students arguments were supported by international experts. They even gave the opinion of the international experts. Plus this is nothing new to anybody. You can find statements like this all over the internet. So who is plagiariasing who?

It's a youth newspaper. So maybe they forgot to put the names of the experts bu for pete's sake! Why vilify the kids and their work. I enjoy reading it cause it gives me some insight into what they are thinking. Do you know that teachers now encourage students to watch a movie thats made based on a book and then write a book report? So some teachers are taking away READING from their students and telling them to watch the movie. I think, just like Flipper, I would like more details about salary scales. Teen Times did raise a good point with that article. We want to support teachers when they scream and shout but we don't even have any type of information about their claims. The youth newspaper promises a follow-up. If they come up with figures before the general media, real information, then we could look like fools. Anyway Flipper I think it was a bit harsh and unfair. And the other writer is correct Mr. Granger is not the Editor of the paper his name isn't even mentioned anywhere. I compliment his young writers for a job well done. The sad part is that the paper is not widely distributed outside of the secondary schools. So for someone to post a blog here when nobody else can have a paper to compare is wrong and reeks of a personal vendetta.

J. Baptiste

I tend to agree with you Baptiste
Hady Nufyet | Sat, 2008-03-08 11:07

I haven't read the Teen times article myself but the way you lay it out makes me think it's no big deal. Nothing at all near or like the level of plagiarism and theft that one of our local papers appears to be committing almost everyday.

In fact the charge of plagiarism takes away from the real and more important question. Are our teachers paid enough or not? The only way this question can be answered, and no doubt people will differ on what 'enough' is, is to know what the salary scales are that the government has taken over 3 years putting in place.

I appeal to any teachers out there reading this, if you want our, meaning the publics support and understanding, then you have to be more open with us. I have asked a couple of teachers for the salary scales and both of them hmm and ahh about it, but I never get them, like they are some secret to be kept. Trust me teachers, most educated people understand very well how important our teachers are for the future of the country, we can tell a fair salary when we see it and knowing what they are allows a real debate about them to be had.

All public pay scales, police, civil servants, nurses, teachers, should be available somewhere to view for the public and for students who may choose one day to enter that field. I will ask again here, if there are any teachers reading then send us a copy of the salary scales so we can publish them and let the public make up their own mind.

Just as a reminder note, SXM PE does not tell or control what people write and no individual comment or blog speaks for everyone else here. The only voice that represents the site is Flipper really, and even he speaks for himself. The new sxm pe which is still coming will make it even easier for any users to post a blog and it will appear in the blog section. It will only get promoted to the Front Page if it is well written, deemed very important or creates a lively and informative discussion or debate.

Some readers do seem to think that we operate as a newspaper, with a staff and program to follow, this is not true in the slightest. Each of us that regularly write pick our own subjects to write about and it is always their point of view, although the core group here tend to agree on most things ideologically or in principle. Unfortunately time limitations mean that many issues and subjects that deserve discussion don't get blogged about, including good news. Yes, I could blog about the Regatta, post pictures of people having a great time etc, but for me a story like Roy's trip to see Murdoch and the argument about transparency is more important for me to spend my time on.

Anyhoo....

I'd like to see those teacher pay scales so we can discuss the real questions here, are our teachers being paid enough. Are they receiving the training, guidance and support that they need to give our children a real education. Are our schools getting the funding for the equipment they need. What is the situation with school's computer labs, how many computers do they have, do they have internet access, etc.

I have little admiration or time for MG and I also suspect that Teen Times is influenced by DP Youth Wing sort of teens, cut from the same cloth as he and Stewie, who now appears to flip flopped on his support for his beloved DP now he is a teacher. Sorry Sybile, but I think hitting them on plagiarising is a miss hit here. See if you can get those salary scales and lets discuss the real questions.

With all the students who contact us and use our site, I think we here at SXM PE should consider starting a Private Eye Youth Wing. lol

Hady

Retraction?
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2008-03-08 12:58

I had seen the paper too andI had the same conclusion.
Its not a big deal.
They did indeed mention the international people. Maybe a retraction is waarented here? Or a delete of the blog.
This kinda thing can be damaging.
Just my 10 cents.

What would the original writers think?
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2008-03-09 19:30

Read the highlighted parts of the article given by Sybille. If you looked at the highlighted parts you would see that it is lifted word for word from the New York post article. Nothing is quoted. The whole thing is fabricated as a scenario between two people which never happened. I wonder what the writers of the article would think?

If this is not plagarism, I wonder what is.

Maybe I am lost
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2008-03-09 23:08

Nepotism is professionalism. Plagarism is a job well done. Corruption is Good Governance. Dishonesty is transparency.

I guess I am lost.

Reeks of a personal vendetta? Or a lesson to be learned
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2008-03-09 22:58

Why is it that everytime that someone criticizes something public that DP people think it is a personal vendetta? Why put something in the public domain if you do not want it scrutinized. This can be a learning opportunity for the teens. Instead of cursing it would be better if Juliana donate her time to train those kids in journalism.
But I hardly think she would do that because she only sees red.

Sybille just saved them more embarrassment by not putting it on the site. Please look up plagarism and nepotism. Looks like we've got it all wrong again.

word for word
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2008-03-09 21:46

I had a look at the article for myself. Juliana is defending it the same way she defended nepotism. Remember she said she believes in Nepotism.

Most of the article is copied word for word. Juliana should scan it and send it to private eye for all to see.

Maybe PE should ask the writers of the book what they think about this modified version.

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