Beware The Lean Green PR Machine.

The green revolution is inevitable, it's going to happen because there really is no other choice, the way we live today is unsustainable and we all know it. As we grow more aware of the damage we do, as we are more and more affected by the damage and pollution we have already caused, in particular that of our local environment we live in, the only moral and logical choice is to go 'green'. The big concern is will it happen soon enough?

Many huge companies have recognised this and are moving towards cleaner energy, not only is it now viable financially, but it is also good for business to be seen as green or organic. It is also becoming good for votes. Tthere are some who are more sincere than others, there are some who think planting trees makes you 'green', and others who think they are, (perhaps want to be), but really don't know that much about it. Beware the Lean Green PR Machine.

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These past few months the PR machines of Indigo Bay and to a lesser extent Barbaron, have been working hard to convince us all that they care about the environment, that their projects are in fact good for it. I'm not sure exactly which group they fall into just yet, but certainly I have my doubts about their claim to being 'Green'.

The Island Government will take all necessary steps to ensure that the new development at the former Dawn Beach Hotel “becomes a success story in terms of the protection of the environment, the beach, public access to the beach, public parking, etcetera.”

Those were the words of Roy Marlin April 2005 when talking about the Westin development, we know what happened there. Also fresh in our memory is the agreement made with Aquarius and the subsequent banning of the two enviro foundations from the property. Why? Well, because they were asking questions, about if the agreement was being complied with, They accused the NF of trespassing when they fowarded some photographs taken by a resident of the area. We have heard they even banned Paul Mooij from the property too, but this is unconfirmed as yet.

This past weekend, some friends visiting the island decided to take a walk down to Cay Bay beach via the trail from above Little Bay, a trail they had walked on many times over the years. They took their camera and they sent us the photos. They did find the trail partially blocked, a bar placed across it and a pallet that appeared to have once been stood up against it. There was some barbed wire too, but being tourists with their Museum bought hiking guide book in hand they decided to risk it, so they tell us in their email.

I doubt St. Maarten has any right of passage laws in regards to such trails, Indigo do have to provide access to the beach, but considering the amount of 'preparing' being done they could perhaps argue that is it restricted, or from the other direction. Still, no use crying over spilled milk is there now.

Indigo state that they plan to restore the beach, the first photos below shows the beach from just before Hurricane Luis in 1995.

The following photos show what it looks like today.

Now first of all, I'll admit I don't know a great deal about replenishing a beach, but it seems to me that whatever has been going on there is just a little suspect. Certainly if a storm were to come then all that hard work digging up all the stones will have been wasted. Perhaps the idea was to have the sand wash down out of the piled up rocks in rain and back onto the beach? What exactly is going on down there and is it environmentally friendly. I have my doubts.

In the photo below you can see how a dirt road has been created not more than 20ft from the sea. Note (also in the photo above) the line of boulders placed by the waterline. What do they mean? It is understood that there are plans to place a rock groin into the sea. Have the relevent studies been made to see if this is in fact needed? How far will it go out?

Having been an avid snorkeler many years ago, I know well that there used to be reasonably healthy reefs on each side of the bay along the rocky shore. I do not know their status now, but has any environmental study been made with the replenishment plans, or does VROM think an archaeological study is enough?

I also have questions about the need to clear so much land at one go when the project is forcast to span over the next 7 years. It would seem to me that if a storm comes now there is going to be an awful amount of silt washed into the sea and if some of the properties are not going to be built for several years, why clear all the land down to it's bare bones now?

And then there is the burning of the brush. It did not need to be burned, it could have been chipped and composted, mixed with the top soil they are scraping off.

The developer states that they wish to work with local environmental groups "as best they can", he states that the Nature Foundation has offered recommendations which they plan to follow. I hereby politely request the Nature Foundation to make those recommendations public. I would also suggest to the developer that if they really want to be friends with the environmental groups on the island then they need to make ALL their plans publicly available and talk to them ALL.

Seriously, stop with the PR bullshit, we are not mushrooms and resent being treated as such.

Before

After

Moving onto Barbaron.......

We already know of their insidous plans to fill in part of the Little Bay pond, they plan to remove 40 meters (131ft) of mangroves and fill in 20 meters (65ft) into the pond.

The past week, dozens of heavy truck with loads of dirt have been seen departing the excavation, one followed truck found led to the discovery it was being transported to the back of French Quarter. This transportation alone, using trucks that belch out black smoke as many trucks on St. Maarten do, is shameful and disgusting. So Carchesi is going to plant some tropical plants around his project and call it a botanical garden and that makes his project green? Again, mushroom PR. Feed them s**t and keep them in the dark.

I wonder how he plans to change the beach he has now to the one he wishes he had?

So beware the Lean Green PR Machine, far too often it lacks real substance.

Flipper

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Submitted by Flipper on Tue, 2007-07-10 18:33.

Working the MGPR machine.
Dr. Voodoo | Sun, 2007-07-15 23:35

Work that thang baby!

SHTA gets Indigo presentation - 14th July 2007

We have been able to determine that despite Indigo's claims of wanting to work 'as best they can' with environmental foundations, the only one they have been in contact with is the Nature Foundation. We are hoping to get some information from them soon in regards to the advice Indigo claim to have recieved.

A few of us here have come to the conclusion that what we are being given in terms of information is for children, we are awaiting the adult material. If this project is so huge and costly and if they are sincere in their claims of being green, then Indigo have absolutely no excuse not to put the adult details of their project online for the public to view.

Dr. Voodoo

beach replenishment
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-07-11 13:23

There are two pictures of the Cay Bay beach that should be looked at closely.
One picture is pre-clearing of some of the rocks and the second is post clearing of some of the rocks.
First of all the rocks on the beach are a result of erosion of the cilff face during hurricane Luis and subsequent hurricanes. The soil got washed away leaving the rocks.
It was suggested to the Cay Bay developers and is now proven that removal of the layer of rocks from the beach will encourage sand to redeposit on the beach naturally.
The natural beach isn't enough, they want more, hence the plans to pump sand to create a beach that encompasses the entire bayfront.
This will be the down fall of this project as astronomical costs of groin construction and dredging will prove to be to much of a burden. Then there is the risk of a total loss due to the next inevitable hurricane.

These pictures do however give us a very strong position to not allow dredging permits for the Barbaron project that need to but have not yet been applied for. If they really want to help the beach then all that needs to be done is to scrape off the top layer of rocks and watch the sand come back.

Not sure about that
Flipper | Wed, 2007-07-11 16:02

I went snorkling with a friend there about 1 year ago, I do not recall that the beach was piled up with rocks as shown in the pictures above. I believe that heavy equipment has been on the beach scraping up the rocks and piling them up against the bank. I recall that the beach after Luis was somewhat like the one at Barbaron, patches of sand and lots of rocks.

This may well be part of a plan to replenish the beach, but I would like to know more about it. It would seem that they are following the advice you give, to scrap the beach clear of rocks and to see how much sand comes back. I would like to know that what is going on has been properly thought out, by people who are qualified and have experience with same.

It would be very interesting to learn who exactly is giving environmental advice to the developer and what that advice is. Also, that road they made is clealry too close to the shore and I also wonder what those boulders have been placed by the water for, do they plan to build something there?

Flipper

beach replenishment II
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-07-11 17:49

flipper I'm sorry I wasn't clear on my observation.
The piling of rocks on the hillside is new. What I meant was that by removing the rocks from the beach and leaving a smooth sandy surface it allows the natural wave action to deposit sand. But like I said that is not enough, the plan calls for creating a beach over 150 meters wide across the whole bay front and protected by rock breakwaters.
I have it on good authority that all there environmental is internal. They agree to look at and consider all suggestions made by local NGOs but that is the extent of it.
It's all about the P.R. my friend.
I'll be in touch.

Barbaron
GP1957 | Wed, 2007-07-11 12:33

Flipper, Carchidi dont own the pond,so why you think he will fill it?Or try to?

Beach;its so in a depracable state Now that it will be very easy to improve it.

Pond;who more than Mr Carchidi will like to see the Pond preserved,cleaned(after
years of trucks load of septic waste)?.As a Developper you dont think it will be better for him to have a "less smelly" area around his project?

Trucks;I agree with you about the 'smoke" of the trucks,but that it should not be a responsability of the Government?To be able to inspect polluting trucks?Or cars?

Filling part of the pond
Flipper | Wed, 2007-07-11 16:09

This article mentions about filling in the pond and we have heard it from people involved with enviro groups too.

I don't get it
O Psilos | Wed, 2007-07-11 18:32

Could be age :-), I am not sure. I read the article five times by now and I still don't see where Carchidi says that he has plans to fill part of the pond. I know he has plans to 'beautify' the pond with small fountains and little islets, and to add more water to it. Filling up the pond wth more water is, in Carchidi's world a method to decrease pollution. (Read this careful! LOL) According to Carchidi, the pollution-factor (as expressed in parts per million) goes down if you add more water. Duh.
I guess the theory is sound (50 ppm in half a liter vs. 50 ppm in 1 liter), but reality still sucks and the pollution doesn't go anywhere. Orginal thinker, though.

O Psilos

4th Paragraph
Flipper | Wed, 2007-07-11 22:30

Mangroves encroached, apparently, 26 meters. .....varvested mangroves....replanted......

He is talking about the ones he plans to harvest and move. Why? Well, you could ask him or perhaps ask to see hid plans. I think you will find that he plans to do some filling. The only part nature plays in his plans is how it can help sell more unitis, the botanical gardens idea is all about his image and preventing criticism from environmental concerns, PR.

It will be his answer to any criticism of anything else he does. Indigo will claim they saved some trees and plants as their claim against criticism that may come their way in the future. Both are flimsy and pathetic. Indigo are quite eager to state they are getting advice from the Nature Foundation. This sounds like the NF has endorsed what they do there. I would like to know if they have or if, as we suspect, Indigo threw that name out there to give their project a green tinge and to support their own hyperbole about it.

"Working with the environmental groups as best as possible" said Smith. "Opened the doors to them". Right, to walk right in and be used.

Flipper

Trucks and smoke
Flipper | Wed, 2007-07-11 16:06

Yep there are lots of them. I think the point Carib was trying to make is that transporting this dirt with these huge trucks is excessively damaging to our environment and clogs our roads even more. This is like someone saying they are green because they put new lightbulbs in their house, but they still drive a Hummer.

It seems to me that not one developer on St. Maarten really understands what being environmently friend means, nor do they have any vision. The ideas mentioned about solar roofs and an estate garbage system are both viable and would make a big improvement on their claims.

Flipper

to GP -having trees and not having trees
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-07-11 15:48

To GP 1957-er... lets see... as much as I hate what is happening at Indigo, I see some lonely trees left. I see nothing left on your construction site. Nothing!
You people have removed every piece of greenery saying you will build a monstrosity of a 9 story building and another building of 4 stories.
With a botanical garden (????) could you not have used some of the indiginous trees for your botanical garden?
And who will benefit from this so-caled botanical garden? The public or just the foreign owners who will be purchasing these condos? And please save us with your very poor english, and with comments about filling the pond. it is a known fact that Carchidi or Nuess will be removing mangroves to the back of the pond as they state that their property runs untill the water and even into the water.
Your land as it is right now will erode an enormous amount of soil into the pond with heavy rainfall, you people have left nothing natural with roots to hold the soil down.

"anonymous"what happened to
GP1957 | Fri, 2007-07-27 10:54

"anonymous"what happened to the "trees left" at Indigo?

True, trees are gone at Indigo
Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 2007-07-27 13:15

I saw the trees are gone as well. But GP, you have yet to state why the developers at Barbaron did not try save some indiginous trees? The PR you doing for this company is all fine and well, but you have yet to answer if the proposed botanical gardens is open for the public or is it a private garden for your condos that will be sold to foreigners?
So please refrain from playing the Barbaron card against the Indigo card as it is meaningless. The larger picture is that all these large developments will come with a strain to the people of St.Maarten. And please save me the employment bullshit, we know that condos employ less than a hotel.

Some saved
Flipper | Fri, 2007-07-27 13:14

About 150 or so they say, you can see them when you drive past on the hill heading towards the watertanks and look down. Doesn't really look like 150 to me but I could be wrong. There is a new blog post here and scroll down to a comment to find the news clippings. You can find more on the Indigo Cay Bay Page.

Flipper

Having trees and not having trees
GP1957 | Thu, 2007-07-12 14:46

First of all "Anonymous", Barbaron is not "my" construction site; I wish it was.
I am not in any way or form associated with this project (even if I am italian).
You might be one of the owner of the houses surrounding the project, that consider Barbaron an intruder to your peace.......
Poor Government planning is to blame, not only investors and developpers.
You will have only to wait untill the project is finished to see that most of your comments are baseless.
For the pond you should address Mr.Pavan (the owner) and nobody else.
I know that he want to sell his property; you should buy it and preserve it for everybody to enjoy it.
Ah;sorry for my poor English

Foreign Investors
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-07-11 22:33

I read these comments as I am a "foreign investor" I have a vested interest. I see true value in a good deal of what is posted. I see it all shot down in flames with "foreign investor"comments. Global problems seem to be the true concerns along with those in SXM on this site. Keep it that way. Blaming the only , yes only, source of money influx to the island is flawed. I have said it before. Look to yourselves to control development or you will not stop it. Integrity in leadership is what you the people of SXM should strive for.

JY

Lack of vision?
Caribdude | Wed, 2007-07-11 01:26

Two money making green ideas for the developers of Indigo Bay, for free.

For between $6,000 to $10,000 per home, each could have solar cells built into their roofs. These could be connected to the grid and you could boost the asking price another $15,000.

The solar power will sell your houses for you, people want the opportunity to be greener without too much effort, energy savings are also appealing. Include the maintenance of these solar systems into the estate bylaws and management, with a monthly fee.

Please see this video and this website. California alone is planning to turn 1 million homes solar over the next two years. It is possible some EU funds could even be found too, there is lots of money floating around looking for clean energy projects.

Secondly, make recycling and seperation of garbage part of the estate's policies, provide each home with 2 or 3 bins and put in place central garbage collection program. Charge a small monthly fee, even if the island does not as yet have any recycling, you would be setting an example to follow.

Both of these ideas are financially viable and can be profitable for the estate management company. (Assuming there will be one, or a Residents Association).

Show some real vision please Indigo. We would like you to be green, it's doesn't have to cost you to be green, all it takes is your willingness to explore the possibilities that are out there.

Caribdude

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