Cleaning up the backyard

I've never understood the practice of withholding the names of top officials that come under investigation, I mean, it's not like they are rape victims or that mentioning it will warn associates and accomplices. It's fairly common knowledge that the suspended police commissioner is Marcel Loor, the man they just put in charge of a special team formed to crack down on crime.

If I remember correctly, Loor was accused once of mistreating a detainee, back when the police cells didn't have cameras..... oh.... they still dont. I've never heard anything good about Loor, in fact the opposite, it would appear Wild Willy was seeking an investigation for some time now. Feel free to discuss and share your opinions and nuggets of info below.

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It may be that there is some connection with these stories, remember when Janchi claimed such accusations of fraud by officers were frivolous and unfounded and 5 days later there were arrests?

Police arrests generate talk in St. Maarten and Curaçao 9th January 2007

Holiday concerned about corrupt cops - 9th January 2007

Two cops, Chinese man held in extortion probe - 8th January 2007

Two poice and one citizen arrested for extortion - 8th January 2007

Police deny extortion by police - 3rd January 2007

We will be posting updates on this story below.

Hady

Updates Below

VKSer says he was working for Loor’s security outfit - 21st June 2007

Commissaris St. Maarten opgepakt voor corruptie - 21st June 2007

Loor Arrested photo

Marcel Loor arrested on bribery, forgery charges - 20th June 2007

Top cop in custody - 20th June 2007

Allow justice to take its course, advises Richards - 18th June 2007

VKS officer found providing illegal guard services - 13th June 2007

Justice Minister confirms investigation - 11th June 2007

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Submitted by Hady Nufyet on Wed, 2007-06-13 21:15.

When will it register?
Dr. Voodoo | Thu, 2007-06-21 12:06

The DH has a story today about the VKS member who was apparently working for Loor's 'private security services', I hate to keep hitting on Taco but the response from him in this article is far far less than we expect from his office. Think about it, Police arranging private armed secrurity for those willing and able to pay. Just who is this 'businessman' who feels he needs armed protection, just what kind of business does he engage in? And where did this gun come from?

What I would really like to hear from Taco is that his office takes this story very seriously and that they will investigate it fully, not wait until the police/vks pass it on to his office. Enough of this crap already.

Dr. Voodoo

VKSer says he was working for Loor’s security outfit - 21st June 2007

VKS officer found providing illegal guard services - 13th June 2007

the famous who needs protecting is Sudie Ozkan
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-21 13:32

Voodoo,
it is bad enough that Loor has a private security company on the side and using VKS personell to make money for himself and for others.
But the newest news is that the famous house in Pelican Key where the VKS was found busy securiing while the rest of us cannot get the police and vks to pick up a 911 emergency call, the house belongs to no other than Mr. Sudie Ozkan owner of the Port De Plaisance Hotel.

VKS
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-21 13:21

What I heard thru the grapevine is that it was Sudi Oskan, owner of Port De Plaisance

Police Commissioner Marcel Loor arrested
Dr. Voodoo | Tue, 2007-06-19 18:47

And may already be on his way to Curacao for all we know. They should throw the book at him and get him to squeal and spill some beans. I have no doubts he has more than a few to spill and if it cuts the time. It is my understanding that he has been charged with bribery, corruption and fraud, mostly to do with immigration papers. Perhaps someone who knows more can fill in the rest. It is confirmed though.

Dr. Voodoo

Holiday
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-06-20 05:12

Isn't it weird that Holiday has not said a word in this Loor case. One of his top officers is arrested and charged with serious crimes but he remains silent. Can't he give a press release. Even a very brief one maybe? But then again he always remains silent. I wonder if this guy can speak. Maybe he misunderstands that the right to remain silent kicks in after an arrest. Not before.

Holiday 2
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-06-20 14:44

It seems that there is on going investigation in the irregularities in the police force in the antilles. Obviously as chief commissioner he must be aware of many things but there might be a reason why he dont want to speak out as he might be also part of the investigation. Knowing all the allegations he should have done his duty and bring these things to the fore front and dont wait until the fed. start their own investigation. Furthermore it seems that the police do not have an internal affairs department which investigate these type allegations. Obviously this also shows a failure in the management of the minister of justice david dick and I think he should resigned as minister also. Crime is on the rise, big loop holes in the justice department, prison, public mnistry. All these departments are not functioning. I believe it is time for him also to go including the complete management staff of the police department.

Give the man a break !
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-21 20:20

I don't agree with the statement that Minister of Justice, David Dick, should resign. He is one of the few Antillean Ministers who is actually taking his job seriously. Let the man continue his good work.

I agree that this whole affair smells of a setup. That being the case, Marcel Loor should have 'lawyered up' the minute his initials appeared in the news about a Police Commissioner under investigation. Why didn't he? Did he actually think he was above the law? Or does he believe is innocent of any wrongdoing?

Getting a lawyer at such an early stage of an investigation is not a sign that one is guilty. It is a simple matter of protecting one's individual legal rights. Especially in a justice system gone array.

Look at Cor Merx. He lawyered up even before the investigating authorities could put the arrest warrant in writing. Result? He did not spend any time in jail. Instead he was placed under house arrest and is today a free man. Free to write silly letters for gullible clients.

The SMPD has leadership issues. That is clear cut. But can anyone else step up to the challenge? We lack leaders in every sector of our society. Who's fault is that?

The executing and enforcement arms of the law in our communities have absolutely no respect and command absolutely no authority. Who's fault is that?

It is certainly not David Dick's fault.
Give the man a break. Give Holiday a holiday instead.

not weird at all
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-06-20 11:11

The questions that should be asked are Why now and why go after a commish for offenses that are quite common amongst the higher ranks.
The question of why now is easy. Holiday is the source of most of the problems within the SMPD and he is trying to protect his job by appearing to do it. Sorry Mr. Holiday it's too late. You have made to much of a mess to be allowed to stay in your position.
Since Loor is a publicity whore and not a team player then who better to sacrafice?
The list of ranking officers rumored to be involved in immigration mattres is long indeed and goes back many, many years
Meyers, Rogers, Leonard, Moreillon (sp?), Former top cop (before Holiday, can't think of his name) These guys all used the system to their financial advantage and the ones still alive still do.
So why Loor??
This whole thing smells like a vendetta and I hope Mr. Loor is smart enough to "Buss the Pot" and drag down as many people as possible with him. As Pannaflek is so often threatening to do.
Maybe, just maybe this can be the new beginning we so desperately need to bring some form of respectability back to St. Maarten.

offenses that are quite common among the higher ranks?
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-06-20 13:56

Are you crazy? So because others (according to you) have committed the same offenses this is a vendetta against Marcel Loor?
Listen up here, either you are delusional and in love with Loor and you can't see straight, but the fact remains that while some of the top cops have been less than moral does not make it ok for Loor to commit fraud, corruption and bribery.
Remember here on this site we have questioned the actions of Alfred Marsdin several times, we know that he has done strange things at the airport, or so we think. But if takes the Federal detectives to come here and shake up society I am sure thay have enough evidence against Mr. Loor.
Your statement of Loor busting the pot-I have to ask what pot? because he is as high as they can go in rank, Holiday is higher, you have something on Holiday? spill it then.
I do not believe this is a vendetta, I do believe that this investigation and the arrest of Marcel loor is long overdue. The folks in the know are saying this had to be done when he was assigned a desk job as head of uniform division.
It was known at the time what he was up to and they were embarrassed.
I agree with you if you say that D.Holiday needs to get another job elsewhere, he is not a good leader, he has not instilled pride and respect in the police force.
Too many of the top cops visit the casinos. It is a well known secret that Holiday has a gambling problem. I also say that he has to make a statement, if he is head of this police force he has to show who is boss, if he does not, he better step aside and allow aomeone else with more integrity and morals to lead this police force on the right path.
As it is going right now, all his policemen and women are being picked up daily with immigration and other corruption charges. I have heard a local person saying that they have more respect for the VKS than for the police, you figure that one out.
But I have to give you credit, Loor was a publicity whore and so was Merx, they use the media to make them out to be such heroes in society, in reality they were twisting the truth and abusing their powers for the greater good of themselves.

What pot you ask?
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-21 09:58

Reread your own post.
All the ingredienst are there that would indicate massive corruption, immoral and illegal behavior in the ranks, sub standard leadership and down right abuse of our legal system.
As for the vendetta...... There is an unwrttien code within any P.D. that they will always protect there own. I wonder why the code was broken.
An interesting tid bit from the news reporters in Curacao is that a large amount of cash was found in Loor's desk at the police station. Was it his? Where did it come from? Did he leave it there or did some one plant it there? Even a simpleton wouldn't leave a large amount of cash in his desk at work while he is under investiagtion for extortion and bribery charges.

Holiday is supposed to remain silent, I think
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2007-06-20 09:53

I was just talking about this with someone this morning. We never hear from Holiday on anything. If there is a case that comes up that involves police negligence or police brutality,etc, you sometimes hear Holiday say we are investigating this. and then? what?
do we ever hear any follow up? no, of course not.
So I said this morning that Holiday was not doing his job. and then I thought about it. maybe Holiday is doing his job. Maybe he is doing just what "they" want him to do.
Keep quiet.
Keep the lid on things.
I wonder who pulls his strings.

So what??
Anonymous (not verified) | Tue, 2007-06-19 22:06

If Loor gets what is coming to him there are not many people that depend on immigration to get papers that will be sorry. He might have treated some good, but it is known that he has treated others extremely badly.

Loor used to be head of immigration for a good long time, and it is well known in the immigrant community that as long as you were prepared to pay you could get what you need. No questions asked.......... The governor signs everything after all! And rest assured there was a good reason to move this particular official from immigration to head of the uniformed brigade, where he apparently saw new opportunities and used his old contacts in immigration to get certain things done.

Over the past couple of years too many immigration officers and personel have been detained and convicted and involved with actions beyond the law that reigns in that respect. Which goes to show that this SHIT came from the top down.......

If Loor is in jail and gets convicted I for one would say: what goes around, comes around....... good riddance to you.

Signed:someone with several bones to pick.......

Blog abuse
Swift | Thu, 2007-06-14 19:35

I think the penalties for public officials, including police officers, who are convicted of crimes should be severe indeed. In addition to violating the law, they have violated the trust the public placed in them.

However, trial by rumor and innuendo on a blog is an abuse of the internet. Most of the posters here have flayed Loor alive, but I have not heard a single word of sworn testimony or seen an iota of hard evidence.

Third hand information, "reports from reliable sources" and vague recollections of possible events in the past should not be permitted to play a role in the destruction of Loor's reputation. Let's leave it to the courts to determine his innocence or guilt.

J Swift

This is not a trial
Flipper | Fri, 2007-06-15 00:45

This is a serious story, are you saying that the community should not discuss it? Perhaps you do not realise but very few people here think our police force is efficient, reliable or honest, which is a big shame for those of them that are and those that need them to be. The police force here and justice system is a complete shambles, shamefully so and yet all we get are platitudes and promises about it all going to be fixed in this so called Safety Plan.

Blogs and the internet are the future of democracy, in fact they are the best hope for it, we are not trying Loor, we are discussing and sharng information which our local media fails to report on or address. The pathetic Daily Herald doesn't even put his name. Rumors are leads, I said so with the Angelique murder case, they should be followed till they prove to be true or false. That's all part of what investigations are all about, something our media and some justice officials seem to forget or disregard.

You think we are not giving Loor a fair chance? Wait until our courts deal with it and not even discuss it? I don't think so. I wonder how many people he gave a 'fair chance'. There are too many bad stories about him and the police and they need to be confronted and addressed, not swept under the carpet as is so often the case. New Ststus is not only an opportunity to fix many things with SXM, those things need to get fixed before then or else it will be a failure.

You, Loor or anyone else coming here are welcome to refute or challenge information or rumors that posted here, feel welcome to do so, we are after all after the truth and we find that through debate, discussion and the sharing of information.

Flipper

trial by rumor and innuendo
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-14 22:50

Nice post, J Swift.
Marcel L. has been known for his no nonsense approach to the immigration problems this island is facing. Possibly, there are people in our society that did not like that. Pressure on the topbrass, and Marcel L. is exited via a side door.
Neither hard nor circumstancial evidence has been shown for his alledged wrongdoings, but posters here already have condemned him. The only reference to evidence is that Gordon Y. has pointed his finger to Marcel L. Most know where Gordon Y. loyalties lay.

Evidence
Flipper | Fri, 2007-06-15 11:11

Ever heard the saying about where there is smoke there is probably a fire? If you have smoke in your house don't you think it might be a good idea to go and check? There is alot of smoke in our house, it makes one think there are several fires and it is making it difficult to see where they are.

Those of you that think Loor is innocent or a vicitim of the top brass are very welcome to argue your point of view here, even Loor can come and post, anonymously if he wishes, and point out where newspaper reports or comments by users are wrong or false. I am sure you are correct that Loor has enemies, I think some might call (or consider) themselves victims instead though.

Eitherway, this case and the story is important, he is a public official and anytime charges are bought against someone who works for us all then the information should be honest, open and transparent. Just why is it that our press think the identities of offficials under investigation needs to be kept secret is beyond me, the same was with the politicians being investigated, which by the way we have heard nothing more about since.

I think it's because most of the press don't ask the hard questions and the prosecutors office and top brass feel they don't need to give answers. I have heard that there are 4 DP politicians who have been questioned about finances in the past couple of months, is this rumor true? Seeing as we get no answers in the media then the next best way to get them is via a blog like this, where people can come add information till we get to the truth. Of course, the more verifiable or supported such information is the better, I think most readers have the ability to make their own determinations on what is presented.

It's the lack of transparency that not only creates rumors, but also undermines the faith and trust people have in the justice and political systems on the island, they are about as transparent as the so called 'Fresh' Pond.

Flipper

provide the media with some evidence
Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 2007-06-15 21:20

Flipper I really do think that you need to know there Gossips and News and the two is not the same. What is happening here is gossip. I agree the media on SXM is stiffled but you seems to be working some place where you have access to documents, so instead of criticizing provide those documents. If you are afraid that someone may know who you are since you are under the carpet yourself. Then use the Post office and post it to the media houses. And this leads me to ask why are you hiding your identity? Since you are so brave and know it all come out and face your commissioners or at least TEACH Your FELLOW St. Maarteners how to ask the questions and how to get the answers you want to hear.

No access
Flipper | Sat, 2007-06-16 01:58

Just a variety of people who send emails or chat with myself or the other regular writers here, most of us see each other daily and share things we have heard. Much like everyone else in fact, as you go about your business around the island you meet people, chat about things, news, issues and you get little nuggets of information or rumor from different sources. In some ways a blog like SXM PE is like that, the story or opinion is posted according to how the writer sees it, readers have the option to refute, dispute, agree, ask questions or add their own information or opinion.

In regards to rumor and gossip, I would like to refer you back to Jan 3rd when our dear Janchi rejected claims of immigration fraud by police officers as frivolous. If you recall, we found out just 5 days later that they weren't so frivolous afterall.

A rumor is a lead, following them is how detectives solve cases and how journalists write stories, real journalists that is, they sift through the leads and follow them to find the truth. Do I trust the police or prosecutors office to tell us the truth? No, not really, do you?

Taco was in the paper again today telling us that 'it's only a rumor' that politicians are being investigated. The item mentions commissioners being 'detained', which corresponds with information I have heard about at least 4 commissioners visiting Curacao to answer questions, one of whom had to stay almost two weeks. How do we find out if these rumors are true?

Well, if we had legitimate reporters on a payroll then we could have them look into the movements of the commissioners over the past 6 weeks or so. But we don't, so the best we can rely on is that maybe someone readin this can find out this information and post it here. Then we will be closer to knowing what the truth is.

As for anonymity, I don't know how long you've been here, but maybe you should ask around a little. The issues that get blogged about here can sometimes upset powerful people, some of whom are ruthless, there is big money and power involved and most of those people don't like to lose either.

People here are not used to open free speech and comment, they are not used to people voicing opinions and criticizing the powers that be, it's all new to them. It's engrained in the island pysche to keep your head down and mind your business. I think SXM PE is helping to remind and teach people that government is their business and as Al Gore said not so long ago, the internet is the best hope for mankind's future, particularly in regards to democracy and combatting climate change.

Does it really matter who anyone is? Do I care who any of the anonymous commenters are? No, not really, I read what they say and sometimes I comment back, sometimes not, I don't worry about who said it, I think about what they have said. This is a forum which permits anonymous posts, some people choose to have a user name, some not, I choose this option myself and I think most people understand why. I do suggest people who make anonymous comments regularly to consider signing in, or at least put an alias at the bottom of their comments so we can see which come from the same person, it helps to avoid confusions.

Flipper

Taco refutes reports about politicians being investigated - 15th June 2007

Prosecutor Remains Tightlipped on Loor Scandal - 15th June 2007

Well Said
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-16 16:48

You answerd the questions so correctly, Police and Prosecutors will not admit that they are the crock of the criminal activites here. You said that Reporters should be the ones investigating and getting to the bottom of the Truth (I agree with you) but then you went into detail to explain how vindictive peopler here are and much power and money they have and what they can and maybe do... Now dont you see you have just contradicted yourself. If you who lived here most of your life see the need to protect yourself and hide your identity because of your safety... Do you expect the foreigners who have to depend on those commissioner to sign their documents to ask real questions... Have you forgotten the Gildarie Saga, because he was bold.
If I were you I would gather a group of SXM people who have the balls to start leaning how to the jobs the foreign reporters you dont appreciate do.

Secondly, just know that Janchi and Stein is not obligated by law to say anything They can say I dont accept or deny. News houses is not the court house who can charge these people for purgery after.... Its kind of technical. Merx lied and was condemed for it... Have you forgotten

Well Said
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2007-06-17 09:19

While I find some of your content correct, I also think to myself that it is difficult to find a group of SXM'rs (of what you call Local people, people that were born here), which I personally think is predujiced (there are many people that have been here for a long time and invest alot of their talent (for free) on many Organizations and Foundations (Free of course) and I normally cannot find a Volunteer( even to feed the elderly) or feed the stray animals at our Local veterinarin clinics, It is normally what you call a Foreigner that do those tireless tasks.
Where are the so called Locals (Your words, people that were born in SXM), when it comes to looking after their own and being caring and being compassionate? There are very few, as I see it. It is normally the so called "Foreigner". People such as Gildare, again a so called foreigner that had the balls, to report the truth got deported.
Just check the Today, today and look at the scores from our Educational Faction and you will see why it is heading thru a path of self destruction and the Island will always need the so called "Foreigner", if it is going to sustain itself in growth and economy

then show appreciation
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2007-06-17 15:05

I know for sure you will not find a group of people to do the jobs reporters do, it maybe too demeanuing to them or risky. So this was not my point... My point is clear, Flipper needs to start appreciating the foreign reporters, the garbage collectors which locals would not dare do. And the housekeepers gardeners and so on....
Also since Flipper has so much information he can well get in the media...
Let me refer him to haterz.com and see what ended up happening with that site..

Not sure what you are on about
Dr. Voodoo | Sun, 2007-06-17 16:20

In general we appreciate good reporting and could care less about if the reporter is foriegn or not. While local reporters may not do the 'garbage collection' as you call it, the foriegn reporters have to get permits renewed, which tempers their 'collecting'. Hard hitting questions and probing by reporters following leads is not a common thing on St. Maarten, foriegn or not.

We here are not reporters, perhaps you should check out what blogging is about, it's a new media.. I wouldn't say Flipper has all the information either, I've seen how much mail SXM PE gets and the tips and info that arrive, I also know the other writers here add a great deal, as do the people who come here to make comments. In fact that is the purpose of a blog site, for the free exchange of ideas, information and opinions.
Please elaborate what you are driving at with the housekeepers and gardeners line.

Dr. Voodoo

as a regular reader of blog sites
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2007-06-17 19:53

As a regular reader and contributor to blog sites, it seems that many here on this site still do not have a clue what a blog site is. I believe that Dr.Voodoo and Rackam in the past have tried to explain what blogging is and how one can contribute to this blog and other blogs. One can also write as a blogger, if one does not enjoy the content of this blog, please leave and find one you do enjoy. This is not a message board.
I am also reading tit a tat about why Flipper does not enter the local media, etc, this is not a media site. Many persons send their news material or topic of interest to the SXM PE site, those checking the site decide what and what not to write about.
This blog site is not about Flipper, Voodoo, Local Hero and other writers, this is a blog where one can contribute, one of the writers have already requested that others who are interested to write get involved. St.Maarten people still have a long time to go to learn what is a blog and what is main stream media.
Seems that people coming here to read still think it is more important who the blog writers are than the topic or subject at hand. The writer is not important, the subject is, if you can contribute to the topic then do so, otherwise farewell to you and hope you people find a blog site you do enjoy.

they are all foreigners
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2007-06-17 17:29

Not only are the reporters foreigners... The garbage collectors too, the cleaners and housekeepers work that Local People would not do and they all need working permits.

They are all foreigners
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2007-06-17 21:53

Nothing is going to change as long as we continue labeling people, such as Local, Foreigners, etc. We are all people in a Globalized world and all countries seem to be having the same problems. Could it be the attitude of the people? Do most of you realize that a so called garbage collector (Sanitation Engineer) in New York City makes a salary of approx $8000.00 per month. Now if someone can't live off of that, then they have a problem. I get so tired of hearing Local versus Foreigner. Do all of you realize that all of us have roots from other places and we would not be here if the so called Local would not of taken the opportunity to go to another Country to work and expand his or her horizons.

Larry

One should be proud and realize that the glass is half full instead of half empty. So all should stop bitching and get an education and teach the younger generation that all of this shit music and gang fighting and doing drugs is for the making of a looooooooser!

More to the point.
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-16 02:14

Why should we be relying on rumors to find out whats going on, why don't they just come out and be open about these things, they themselves create and promote rumors by treating the public as mushrooms, keeping us in the dark and feeding us s**t.

Do I see the same again as with Cor Merx?
Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 2007-06-15 12:18

Flipper, you will have to contend with top brass coming on this site trying to twist information to their liking. I remember this with Cor Merx, Merx had certain persons in the community who wrote letters on his behalf, persons who said he was a good fellow and would never do wrong and that he was oh so holy.
Well, it did turn out that Merx tapped phones without court orders, that he misused his powers as a prosecutor in many instances, that he wrote on the papers that he was tapping the phones of people who were invloved in drug dealing while he was tapping his girlfriend phone. He released prisoners without authorisation of his superiours.
As for Loor, from what I am gathering, Loor played the tough cop to make money for himself. He would round up large groups of immigrants, take them to the station and the following day more than half would be set free, some say he was accepting monies from the ones that could pay and he would set them free.
Then I hear he had this scam going on using the Coast Guard when his wife was working there, Coast Guard would arrest illegals on the open waters or taken from the Simpson Bay Lagoon, she would send them on to Loor, them say Loor would accept monies from the ones that could pay and he would release them. Loor seems to have been acting in the same play that Merx was in, just a different role.
The talk on the street is that Holiday knows very well what was going on, he was not participating but he knew. So, should Holiday also be taken down and retired early or sent to another island?
As it is, instead of treating Loor with a good reprimanding or sending him away, he tolerated the behaviour and gave him a second chance when he put him in another department. And for the record, this writer has personally seen Loor in his uniform having drinks with a group of Arabs in Simpson Bay at a cafe located in the Travel Inn. Not once, not twice but more often.
Some will question so what??? Well, it is unethical to be sitting socially in your police uniform at a cafe that is located in a hotel that was in the news a few years ago concerning some Arabs that were locked up for weapons etc.
Gordon Yee mentioned Loor's name? I have to salute him, because most probably if it is not for Loor's involvement, Gordon Yee would not have been able to do the things he did.

I have changed my mind - Loor must be quilty
Swift | Fri, 2007-06-15 19:18

Flipper condemns Loor because there are obviously some "dirty" officials on the island; therefore, Loor must be "guilty." Anonymous condemns Loor because, on more than one occasion, he saw Loor in uniform having drinks with people in the Travel Inn. Also, Anonymous thinks Loor is guilty because some of the people rounded up in a few of his controls were released the next day. No way they could have just forgotten to carry their documents and were released when a friend or relative brought their papers from home. No way. You know, now that I think about it, "I met Loor once. He seemed like a nice guy. Probably too good to be true. He must be guilty." Based on Flipper's testimony, the eye witness reports of Anonymous and my recollection of Loor, I think we should just drag Loor out and hang him at the Courthouse. I think we should smear his wife's reputation, too, although one of the posters here beat me to the punch on that one.
J Swift

Loor or Doran?
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-14 08:41

On another web site..not a news web site... it is being reported that the cop in question is Doran not Loor. and someone referred to this DH news story.

Commissioner may have committed fraud in human trafficking incident - 11th June 2007

so which one is it really?
do we know??

Different but the same?
Flipper | Thu, 2007-06-14 12:59

The story you posted above is from the 11th June, I am informed that Doran went to Curacao in regards to the Loor case and is not a suspect himself. There is a story about Doran in the paper today, but a different case.

Man sentenced for attempting to bribe police commissioner - 14th June 2007

Also from the Today today....

Loor suspended - 14th June 2007 - 14th June 2007

Gordon Yee is the chinese man mentioned and apparently he is spilling the beans on Loor and perhaps a few others. I have heard rumors that it goes up all the way to Holiday too. This is not about one little case of extortion, this is about a whole series of them, going back over several years. It appears that some of the dragnet arrests that he carried out over the years were a way of making money, many detainees ended up being released.

There are also rumors about possible connections with Mid Eastern characters, drugs and human smuggling to the US.

Also in the Daily Herald....

Two female tourists robbed, police want to search panty drawer for suspect - 14th June 2007

Best thing would be to chop the head off the police force, the majority of top brass are incompetant, lazy or corrupt. Start fresh and reform the whole damn force under new management.

Flipper

Its Loor
pheonix | Thu, 2007-06-14 10:50

GBBC Radio already anounced his name "Marcel Loor" three times on the air. Loor is the one under investigation, he cannot enter in to any police building or immigration offices here or on any other island. He was the one who was mistreating illegals and rounding them up so vigorously, maybe they defaulted on their payments to him, once they got here?.

Loor and Merx
Anonymous (not verified) | Mon, 2007-06-18 09:04

It is Marcel Loor indeed, he is out of uniform in recent weeks, and is wandering around and managing his affairs in Simpson Bay, as always, not attending real police work, but doing 'other business'

On Sunday June 17th 2007 he was spotted by bystanders talking to Cor Merx at Top Carrot outside, together they were working on a document and debating intensively,

Cor Merx, although convicted of a felony, is amazingly presenting himself in the community as fullfletched and honest legal advisor with integrity,

Only in SXM this is possible

the fleeing of the merx
Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 2007-06-22 05:39

the rumor is merxs left the island and was heading for suriname afraid for another arrest in connection with the loor case

fleeing of the merx 2
Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 2007-06-22 08:03

I was called by someone at the airport on wednesday saying that Merx was leaving the island.

witch hunt?
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-14 13:04

Seems to me that certain people in power have gone on a witch hunt.
First to go was Mr. C. Merx, who apparently stepped on a few toes during his tenure as chief prosecutor. Now, next in line is his good friend Marcel Loor?
As far as I know these gentlemen, they are above corruption, which is likely not appreciated by the happy few. Certainly I would not put my hand in fire for anybody, but noticed the apparent coincidence. Who's next?

veritas dies aperit

The coincidence
Hady Nufyet | Fri, 2007-06-15 03:07

Could it perhaps be the fact that one is guilty of fraud and misuse of power and the other is being investigated for the same? I've seen these two hanging out more than once, Merx being just the sort of person a police commissioner should hang out with right? It's time to take a good look under the carpet instead of just sweeping everything under it.

Hady

As far as you know?
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-14 18:44

"As far as I know these gentlemen, they are above corruption"

Good phrase. But you know shit. Go home and dream on.

everyone is quoting latin
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-14 14:50

everyone is quoting latin these days. why not just say it in english? You sound like one of Cor's dutch lawyer buddies.
By the way I'm no expert but if you ment to say: Time reveals the truth its actually:
Veritatem dies aperit but anyway I'll sign off by saying
The truth never dies just for you that is Veritas numquam perit.

Excuse me, are you lost?
Flipper | Thu, 2007-06-14 13:28

Really, Cor Merx and Loor ABOVE Corruption? Where have you been living, dreamland? If you call the prosecution and investigation of corruption and misuse of authority a witchhunt then you really are on the wrong website. We want intelligent discussion here only please.

Flipper

just a comment
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-23 04:07

Maybe I am totally off here...but didn't Cor Merx get an acquital at the court of appeals? wouldn't that make him then legally innocent? my point with this comment is that what counts in st.maarten is the rule of 8. 8 days after the initial news "break", me move on to other news....even if the news is brought up again, it's still old news......so much so that when "new" news comes that isn't as juicy as the initial, it is disgarded and if anything, the focus of another 8 days is again the "old" news. maybe it's conincidence that you can be detained for 8 days pending more evidence, or maybe it just is based on our wonderful island's rule of 8 as well.

8 days? Explains a lot.
Hady Nufyet | Sat, 2007-06-23 09:40

No, Merx was not acquited,, in his appeal it was found proved that he forged documents and abused the power of his office. It also mentions 240 hours of community service, 30 days of 8 hours, does anyone know what he did, if he did those hours at all?

As for the 8 hours thing you suggest, it's the first I've heard of it, but if it is the case with some people then it certainly explains a great deal about the state of the island doesn't it. History is relevant, with over 2 1/2 years of news stories now archived on SXM PE it is much eaiser to connect the dots and show how they connect. That's the thing about being in the news and getting acquitted, it's on record and it is part of how people determine the character of an individual like Merx.

Is it not a legitimate question to ask how a disgraced and convicted chief prosecutor can open and run a business offering legal advice? Only in St. Maarten eh? His connections with Loor go back a long way, Loor himself was removed as immigration chief last year, could it be that they knew he was crooked then and tried to cover it up, like the Vatican does with it's own odious members.

Hady

Community Service
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-23 15:57

Based on information I gathered Merx is doing the Community Service for Government. All transactions and legal paper work he does for them. I also heard some big contractors use him as legal aid to close business deals. He is not doing it for poor people. But this is hush hush, because you would assume Government would do and know better.
Now as for his Conviction. Merx was banned for 5 years within the Netherlands Antilles. If my Brain Serves me well, Merx can go back to Holland and work normally, he can even go to Aruba... And hopefully when the N.A is dismantled in December 2008. The verdict will also be dismantled.
Based on what I know Stein appealed the verdict, because he was not content with what Merx was given for his actions. But I do know how far that is away from the Court of Appeal.
You know the system maybe slow and annoying but we need to use patience, because it is working slowly but surely.

Get your head out of the sand!
Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 2007-06-14 14:28

All you need to do is to talk any of the taxi drivers working at the airport & they will all tell you about Loor & his preferential treatment for certain people in order for them to get illegals in. You could find him day after day drinking at SSBB when the deported owner was there & how do you think he (SSBB owner) got back on island before his time was up??? How do you think that guys like LR better known as "Sweet L" get their girls on island all the time. He then takes their passports & uses Loor as a threat to have them deported if they act up or don't make enough money. Working permits are never gotten for these dancers/prostitutes & yet they never get bothered in any of the clubs unless they do not comply.

It is about time that some of these people get their comeuppance & I hope many more are to follow.

Always watching

hmmmmmmmm
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-23 22:53

This brings me to remind you of the Indian Guyanese dancer that was found dead at Sweet L nightclub and not even an autopsy was done. This case was never solved. Then the other guyanese (a former police officer in Guyana and the Jamaican that came here under the pretence of doing culture dance and were forced into prostution and drug use. These women went to the police for help and the media. They were told to leave SXM and to date no investigation done... I guess Loor was the one covering for this bastard

thanks for that
Anonymous (not verified) | Fri, 2007-06-15 12:34

To get your head out of the sand,

I believe every word you say, I too have seen Alfred Marsdin at sunset beach bar enjoying drinks with Mr. deported sunset. And I often wondered if these people like Loor and Marsdin have any principles. The fact alone that Mr. Sunset came back to the island without anyone at the airport asking questions was totally weird.
That was one of the few times that I took notice of our Lt. Governor taking drastic decisons in the interest of our justice system, he should be doing more of this. While I understand that our police deprtment is understaffed and we can only handle so much, it is time that our Lt. Governor starts to question his counterpart Holiday on what the hell is happening to our system. And the more they try to cover it up, the worse it will get.
On another note, is there any reason why the Daily Herald has not published Loor's name? Do they suspect it is someone else? Are they trying to give impression that maybe it could be Mickey Mouse? Big Bird? Or wait maybe it's Barney?
Get friggin real, this man is in charge and in a very high position of our police force, his name deserves to be published. And by the way, if they do not, then they are contributing to hiding the truth, they are also then allowing other cops to do the crime and get away scot free from the publics eye.

What a shame
Anonymous (not verified) | Sun, 2007-06-24 07:30

My respond to all the above is that we need an outside force to clean up the mess. First of all starting with the Minister of Justice David Dick, Lt Governor F. Richards, The top brass of the POlice Force 4or 5 of them, including Mr. Holiday all should be sent packing. I also recommend to close the depart of the Public Ministery and bring some fresh blood from some where. I dont care where because at this point in time I dont believe we can trust anyone here on this island. It is all about greed. These people should be locked up. This is also meant for our politicians.

Prejudice in many forms....
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-23 07:47

Well from my observation, the Herald publishes who they want. I have noticed that a particular police officer's name was mentioned big and broad 2 years ago while not even positive if he commited the crime . Not long after another one was picked up but they only put his initials. Why is that?
Furthermore " the police station is understaffed and we can only handle so much" if Holiday would get off his high horse and be fair about situations and stop trying to manipulate his colleagues maybe the work invironment would be more pleasant and there wouldnt be so much officers on sickleave. Holiday has to remember "what goes around comes around".

favourtism
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-23 22:13

How come it took Holiday so long to give a statement about Loor yet not exactly letting the public know how he felt about his Top Cop being arrested. He usually chews up other officers in the news paper. Is he covering something or don't want to step on any toes. Secondly have you heard about the disapearing cop, a well known super cop nealy got caught with Loor but was smart enough to dissapear and ended up in Dominica wow. And yeah how come no investigation on casino high markers especially with police salary or do they always win, i guess they have good witch doctors or do they.........

Lately there was alot of changing in the police station, why is that, is things getting hot. And yeah about the names in the papers, can some one tell us who owns the herald, is it a lawyer guy. i guess we save our friends and try to smother the nobodies. Cause if i am not to sure the guy who the plastered his name and pictures prove to be innocent wow i guess its called favourtism hahahahah

DH
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-23 23:03

The Daily Herlad is owned by Roger Snow, though he is barely involved these days. the editor in chief is a son, Roger, there is another son that runs the press and the lawyer is Jelmer, but he isn't involved in the running of the paper.

Comment slightly edited. Can you prove what you stated or evidence that suggests it? Dropping such accusations without supporting it is not really welcome. - Hady

clarification
Anonymous (not verified) | Sat, 2007-06-23 23:50

yup your right, my apologies. But to answer your question Yes I could back it up
In my haste I also got the names wrong.
Paul de Windt, Rogers step son, runs the paper.
Editor in chief is Courtney Gibson, a man with a job I wouldn't want.

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